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1. Ww Greener Shotgun Serial Numbers
2. Greener Shotguns History

Looks like reblued fluid steel to me. If I remember right, top rib marked 'W W Greener and Son works Birmingham'. Barrel marked with crossed sceptres with crown on top and crown with double scriped B's (Birmingham proofs). 118 or 11.8 over 12m (both barrels) Not for Ball on left. Some scroll engraving. Serial Number 185.

I just acquired an old Greener double in about 85 percent condition. 30 inch barrels choke full/mod. Chambers are 3 inch. It is a boxlock, greener cross bolt, marked on the barrel 'Patent Treble Wedge Fast' and 'WW Greener. 68 Haymarket London. Winner at All Gun Trials. 1875 To 1890. 'Sterling Steel'. Serial number 33517. It does not have safety which leads me to think it may have been a pigeon gun ???/ Any information as to model, grade, year of production, etc. would be appreciated.
Tom

• Serial number 45xxx was produced sometime between 1895 and 1902, with Greener’s famous Wrought Steel 30-inch barrels and matted concave rib so cleverly marked “ Wrought Steel Indestructible By Gun Powder,” with engraved wedges of small English scroll at the breaches.
• Enlighten me I have an Ithaca Gun Co 12 Gauge Shotgun. Serial Number 73XXX (all parts matching numbers), on the top of the barrels it reads 'Krupp Fluid Steel', undernieith reads 'Fluid Steel - Krupp Essen (?), Under the BBLS on the receiver is 2 over 12 (frame size and gauge)? And it is engraved quite nicely.
• This greener empire model db shotgun is in good to very good order and condition with clean and shiny 30 inch tubes. It is choked full and full with full nitro proofing with appropriate stampings under the barrels block. No rust and the overall original colour case hardening on the action indicates a minimum of use. The action is tight and locks up nicely.

Ww Greener Shotgun Serial Numbers

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Any pics? If you don't know how to post them, send them my way and I'll put them up.

There's usually a grade noted on the triggerguard - F30, F20, etc.

Thanks

OWD
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goggle ww greener's website and email address. Mr Greener gave out all imformation on my greener via e-mail.

Thanks to both you guys. I have emailed Greener for the info. gun is on way to gunsmith for trigger issue. As info. no model number on trigger guard. a source from Doublegunshop has placed the gun as a 1891 or 1893 model.
Tom

Luck is the residue of good intention and hard work.

Tom, given its serial number (33517), your gun was completed in 1891, according to the appendix referenced at the back of Graham Greener's The Greener Story. With respect to the time consumed from start to eventual completion, this depended on the gun's grade: Higher grades required more attention and time. For example, my self-acting ejector G60 grade 'Royal' needed some 7-months before it was completed the following year. The building of lesser grades by Greener took much less time and was performed in a different area of the Greener factory. Only the best, specially selected craftsmen (10-12 men) built Greener's higher grade guns in a wholly separate area of the factory. Without informing photographs of your gun, however, I am at a loss to correctly identify it. Although, I would venture to guess that it is a Facile Princeps self-acting ejector or perhaps a 'Unique' action-ed gun, based solely on the fact that these candidates were in production at time your gun was completed. The 'Triple Wedge Fast' action refers to Greener's strengthening employment of Purdey-patented double underlugs/bites and the Greener carefully fitted cross-bolt in combination with a precisely bored barrel extension. The 'sterling steel' likely refers to a type of or marketing name for its damascus barrels. Greener's damascus barrels, by the way, if in good condition and possessed of sufficient wall thicknesses, especially those used on the company's higher grade guns, are perfectly serviceable to-day if one uses low-pressure cartridges of correct length. W. W. Greener used a high percentage (70%, as I recall) of steel in his damascus barrels. The lack of a safety is a puzzler, which might, as you conjecture, indicate an intended purpose as a pigeon gun or possibly, I would add, as a fowler. Hopefully, Graham Greener can provide you a model number as well as a customer name. At all events, as has been previously suggested, you might want to post clear photographs of your gun here, in order to benefit from the combined knowledge and opinion of this site's well-versed correspondents. Regards,

Edwardian

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